1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Tonight on Fact or Faked, Paranormal Files. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Wow, that's crazy. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 We might have some actual evidence here of a real UFO. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Talk to me, Bill. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Oh, whoa, that's creepy. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Whether it's a hoax or whether it's an ET-crab, the bird is still out. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,000 I'm gonna go! 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,000 I don't have a visual, I have no idea what's going on. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 The camera went out. All of our equipment is failing. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 What's going on out there? 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Watch! 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Oh, my goodness! 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 There's a flying saucer. 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 I'm getting a series of lights right there. 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 So you see what I'm seeing? 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 What the heck is happening? 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Hey! Good morning! 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 How you doing? How you guys doing? 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,000 You guys are a member of LaNisha? 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Yep. Our newest member. 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Welcome to the fray. 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:25,000 What I have for you is a really famous UFO case. 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Supposedly it was smuggled out of the White Sands missile range. 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Now, in 1996, this video surfaces and it depicts what looks like a cylindrical glowing object 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:42,000 and it strikes the ground and glances off like it was trying to actually take off again. 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Whoa, what the... 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Glances back up, goes into the air, watch the arc. 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,000 It's almost like it's powered, like it's trying to take off again, but it can't. 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Look at the oval shape. 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 It's moving pretty fast. 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Whoa! That's crazy. 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:05,000 I mean, it even looks like a saucer-shaped thing and it just explodes. 33 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Even though White Sands is a rocket testing facility, it doesn't really look like a rocket, 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 but the shape doesn't quite match. 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 White Sands is 200 miles away from Roswell. 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,000 The area is known to have a really strong UFO history. 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Do we have anybody to talk to about this video? 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,000 We'll probably find some people who are experts in the history of White Sands. 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,000 If we can find an expert we can talk to, then we should go for it. 40 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Okay, who wants to go next? 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,000 What I have for you guys today is a video and it was shot at the edge of a small garden pool in Eugene, Oregon. 42 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 A man discovered this plant that looked like it was something at a little shop of horse. 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Check this out. 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Look at that. 45 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Oh, that is creepy. 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,000 When I talked to the videographer, he said the plant he saw was five to six inches high. 47 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 He found it and he videotaped it, but then when he went back later it was gone. 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 I call CGI. 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,000 I mean, couldn't you just do this with computer graphics? 50 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Come on, you can clearly see it. 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 I mean, it could also be animatronics. 52 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 If it is CG, that's very good in professional CG. 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,000 I think it's good CG, however, when they're trying to anchor the image here, take a look at these roots. 54 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,000 As you move here, look how they shift right here. 55 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Oh! 56 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 See that? 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 This is awesome. 58 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 I mean, we've never seen a case like this before. 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:35,000 All right, guys, in June of 2010, a local habitat for a humanity store captured some really unusual footage on one of its security cameras. 60 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,000 First, the store's alarm system was triggered, then you see what appears to be a ghostly blur. 61 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Travel out the back door down the stairs and through the alley. 62 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Check it out. 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,000 You see? 64 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Right there! 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Yes, I see it. 66 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 There it is, right by the stairs. 67 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:04,000 It looks like some type of translucent being or entity that comes out the door and then goes around on the corner down the alley. 68 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,000 This thing, whatever it is, had enough physicality to set off the alarm system. 69 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,000 It could be some sort of an insect, maybe on the lens. 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 The lens wasn't actually exposed. 71 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 It's locked off behind a glass casing. 72 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,000 What if it was a spider inside the glass casing? 73 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,000 If it was a spider and it's really close to the motion detector, it could have tripped the alarm. 74 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 I think it'd be interesting to test some of those theories and actually prove it. 75 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Okay, let's put that aside for now and let's move on. 76 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 So Bill, what video do you have today? 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000 It was the middle of the night when Keith Engel was in the abandoned Tonopas Cemetery 78 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:46,000 exploring the history of a local mining disaster when he caught this eerie video on his full-spectrum camera. 79 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000 That's on the left side. 80 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Whoa! 81 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 What the... it literally disappears all of a sudden. 82 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Bill, what are those boxes that keep showing up on the frame? 83 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 On these full-spectrum cameras, you can enable motion tracking. 84 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,000 So if there's movement, it'll put that box around it. 85 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Can't that just be a person that's walking through the cemetery? 86 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:22,000 But look at it. You see the apparition clearly form and then disappear. 87 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 The whole history of this location, I mean... 88 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:35,000 This is the 100th anniversary to the day of the mining disaster that took the lives of the local miners. 89 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 And they're buried there. 90 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 What do you guys think about it? 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 We have a witness. It's great footage, extremely testable. 92 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 I mean, this is everything we need for a solid investigation. 93 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Okay, well, we've seen all the videos today. 94 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Let's review. I know there were some favorites. 95 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,000 I really like the Habitat for Humanity video and also Tonopah. 96 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,000 I mean, I have some really interesting ideas for the Tonopah case. 97 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 I say we do Tonopah. You have a great witness. 98 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 The footage is extremely testable. I mean, it has everything we're looking for in a great case. 99 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:10,000 I'm going to have to say that the history and the secrecy behind the White Sands UFO is definitely really cool. 100 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Yeah, that definitely gets my vote. 101 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Tonopah Cemetery gets my vote. 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,000 This is one of the best videos of what looks like a ghostly apparition that I've ever seen. 103 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 It sounds like I'm hearing Tonopah and White Sands. How about I take Devin and Jai-El? 104 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:28,000 With me, we'll go to White Sands, New Mexico and LaNisha, Austin and Bill. 105 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Tonopah, Nevada. 106 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Here we go. 107 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Ready? 108 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Sounds good? 109 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Let's go, guys. 110 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 White Sands, New Mexico, guys. I've never been here before. 111 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,000 And the White Sands missile range, they're continuously testing new weapons, new missiles. 112 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Look at this. We're right on the outskirts and we're looking at one of the most controversial and famous UFO files. 113 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,000 The famous UFO footage cases ever filmed. 114 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Many people believe that this is secret government footage of an actual UFO crash that was leaked to the public. 115 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Although it's degraded, the footage is still spectacular. 116 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:23,000 You get a large, bright, disc-shaped object that's hurtling through the air when it hits the ground. 117 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 It actually bounces back up. 118 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Yeah, like skips. 119 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Skips. 120 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,000 When it comes back down, it completely disintegrates. 121 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Now White Sands has been rumored to be a place where the government has back-engineered alien technology. 122 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 The White Sands UFO connection predates this video. 123 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Roswell is only 200 miles away after all. 124 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 And one of the researchers who knows a lot about that connection, 125 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Roswell and White Sands is James Fox, 126 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 a documentary filmmaker, he's a UFO researcher. 127 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 I want to know what he thinks about this particular video. 128 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,000 So do I. 129 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Hi. 130 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Hi, James. 131 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,000 This is Ben Hansen. 132 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,000 This is amazing. 133 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 We're standing just right outside the White Sands missile range. 134 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 This is the largest military installation in the United States. 135 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Now we know that White Sands is implicated a lot in UFOs you researched, right? 136 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,000 With the dawn of the atomic age came the modern UFO age. 137 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,000 And so of course Roswell, New Mexico is a couple hundred miles away. 138 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,000 They had the 509th Bomb Squadron that people responsible for the deployment of atomic weapons. 139 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,000 So there's a lot of activity vis-à-vis the atomic age right here. 140 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 And those were linked to UFO sightings. 141 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Now what can you tell us about our UFO video that we have today? 142 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Well, first of all, I think one of the reasons why it's so popular is a lot of people always complain that 143 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 UFO videos are just these ambiguous blurry lights off in the distance. 144 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,000 And you know, here we have something in focus. 145 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,000 And if you look at it carefully, you actually see the trajectory changing. 146 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,000 So it looks like the object is trying to pull out of a dive to me. 147 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,000 So it's under control either remotely or there's occupants in there. I don't know. 148 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 And it skips. 149 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,000 And then when it re-hits, it explodes. 150 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 It's a jaw dropper. 151 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 It is. 152 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,000 James, in your opinion, how difficult would a video like this be to hoax? 153 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,000 It's obviously difficult for me to determine exactly how to speculate, 154 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 but it's an amazing piece of footage. 155 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 But as far as whether it's a hoax or whether it's an ET craft, 156 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,000 we're just going to have to say the verdict is still out. 157 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 James, you've provided us with a lot of good information here. 158 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 We're going to get on and try to do some experiments. 159 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 See what we can come up with. 160 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Good luck. Let me know what happens. 161 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Really great to meet you. 162 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Hey, thanks. Nice to meet you, too. 163 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Guys, the missile range is a huge area, 164 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,000 but I don't think that they would look favorably on us crossing over to do our experiments. 165 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 I don't think so. 166 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Well, I know of a really great testing facility in Mojave, California. 167 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 So why don't we go out there for our experiments? 168 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Okay. 169 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Lead the way, Devin. 170 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Guys, this place is perfect. 171 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,000 There's plenty of room here to test all the more popular theories of the footage. 172 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Well, you know, if this video was actually filmed at White Sands, 173 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 which we know is a military rocket testing facility, 174 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,000 then it's logical to begin our experiments with the theory that it was a test that went wrong. 175 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,000 I mean, it's not like they just take rockets, put them on a stand and launch them into space. 176 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,000 You know, they first have to test the rocket motor to make sure that it has enough thrust to get the proper altitude. 177 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,000 So in theory, this could have just been a motor test in which the thrust was so great 178 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 that it broke free from its restraints. 179 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Exactly. 180 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Yeah. 181 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,000 So to test this, what we need first is a motor to give us the same kind of trajectory 182 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 and the speed that we're seeing in the video. 183 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 And I think we brought such a thing with us. 184 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Let's go pull out the vehicle. 185 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Okay. 186 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 So one of the popular theories concerning the White Sands UFO 187 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,000 is that a rocket motor broke loose and went on a wild flight before crashing into the ground. 188 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000 So what we're going to do to test that is take our own rocket motor, send it on its own flight, 189 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 see if we can replicate the video. 190 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 This is our rocket motor. 191 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 There it is. 192 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 This is an i-Class solid rocket motor. 193 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Oh. 194 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Now, this is quite a bit smaller than something the military might have been testing, 195 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,000 but it's going to give us hopefully the same effect. 196 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Right. 197 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Well, we'll attach that to the guide rail so that we can control generally where it starts to fire from. 198 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,000 I'll attach these electric matches to the motor and we'll run it to a safety bunker 199 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 so we can remote ignite from there. 200 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Perfect. 201 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000 This is going to be one fun day. 202 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Let's go play with rocket motors. 203 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 All right. 204 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 All right. 205 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Wow. 206 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 This is it, huh? 207 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Well, let's set up here. 208 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 You have tripod and the camera. 209 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Make sure it's behind the barricade as we all have to be behind it. 210 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And then very carefully take this rocket motor and get it set to go. 211 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 You got it. 212 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 I'll be on walkie. 213 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 What I have here is a camera from the early 90s 214 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 and I'm setting it up a half a mile from our launch zone. 215 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,000 That should give us enough distance for the proper framing to replicate the original footage. 216 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,000 So now that our railing system is in place, 217 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,000 the engine goes inside the motor tube so we can aim our initial launch. 218 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 All right, Ben. 219 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000 We're good to go out here. 220 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,000 I'm going to head to the bunker and join you guys. 221 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Come on back. 222 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Jai-El's got the camera set up and we're ready to go. 223 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Copy that. 224 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Devon just set up our motor. 225 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,000 It's on the guide rails ready to ignite. 226 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 We're going to do it with this. 227 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Everyone's going to be behind this bunker for safety. 228 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Once this thing does get ignited, there's nothing that can control it. 229 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000 It could be flying anywhere. 230 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,000 We only get one shot at this so we have to make it count. 231 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000 You guys ready for this? 232 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 I'm ready. 233 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Jai-El, you're on the camera. 234 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 I'm ready. 235 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000 All right. 236 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Ready, guys. 237 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:10,000 Three, two, one, launch. 238 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,000 We've rigged our engine in case of an aluminum to a guide rail system with no restraint. 239 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,000 So once it's ignited, the thrust from the motor should let it fly on its own. 240 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Next, three, two, one, launch. 241 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Look at that. 242 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Look at it. 243 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 It's still smoking and everything. 244 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,000 They totally spun though. 245 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Did you see that? 246 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Did you get it? 247 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,000 I got it. 248 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Let's go take a look at it. 249 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,000 All right, make sure it's cooled down. 250 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000 It was so erratic. 251 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000 There's no control. 252 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Yeah, it was swirling around. 253 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,000 It was really hard for me to keep it in frame. 254 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Let's see what you got. 255 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Let's compare it to what you got on tape and into our original video. 256 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Yeah, I'd say we take a look. 257 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,000 All right, let's get a look at this. 258 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,000 We're set up and it launches. 259 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Wow. 260 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Wow, you know, the initial trajectory was right on. 261 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Yeah, it took off though so fast and the whole time it's spinning. 262 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 I mean, it certainly didn't fly for as long. 263 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 Yeah. 264 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 And it wasn't quite as bright. 265 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Yeah. 266 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 You know what I'm thinking here too is we're seeing some type of, it could be a con trail 267 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 or an exhaust trail in the original video. 268 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,000 And over here, of course, we're seeing exhaust, which matches. 269 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 But you can tell it's spinning. 270 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Right. 271 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 You know, without the nose cone, the fins, anything to guide it, this thing just goes anywhere. 272 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 I don't think it's a motor. 273 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:04,000 You know, guys, considering how the origins of this video are so mysterious, we really 274 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:10,000 have to consider the idea that this is just the product of a very elaborate hoax. 275 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Let's go back out there and set up the next one. 276 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Sounds good. 277 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,000 The direction of our motor was really erratic, so I think we're going to need to move on 278 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 to an experiment that gives us a little bit more control. 279 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:29,000 What we have here are two 36-inch discs. 280 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Now inside, we've got a motor system, okay? 281 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,000 And that's going to keep the disc spinning as it heads down the zipline. 282 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000 This is what our UFO is going to travel along. 283 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Take that in. 284 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,000 We have one end that's going to be attached into the ground. 285 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 We have another end that's going to be attached to a lift. 286 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,000 And in the middle, we'll be connected to a pneumatic clasp that will have an automatic 287 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 trigger. 288 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Cool. 289 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Now we're going to go down the zipline and then automatically release, bounce up, and 290 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,000 continue on towards its destination point, and ultimately, exploding. 291 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 We can bury some pyrotechnic charges. 292 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,000 That'll help us replicate that explosion at the end of the video. 293 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Yep. 294 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,000 All right, well, let's prep it. 295 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Our hoax scenario setup is quite complicated. 296 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,000 We have a craft made of two 36-inch aluminum discs. 297 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,000 That is attached and rigged to a cable system on a lift. 298 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:29,000 The disc will travel down the lift to a center point where we have a clasp, which is released 299 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,000 automatically. 300 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,000 Our zipline actually consists of two cables running through the UFO. 301 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,000 These lockable pliers are going to hold the zipline in place on either side. 302 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:43,000 So when our UFO passes through and the pneumatic device is set off, our UFO releases equal 303 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,000 and on the same plane and continues towards the explosion. 304 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,000 We just finished attaching our UFO to the galvanized steel cable. 305 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,000 It's suspended. 306 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Everything's looking good. 307 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,000 We're excited to start this test. 308 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 So we're all set to go. 309 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000 The craft is in position. 310 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,000 It's on the cables, and the charges have been set for the final impact. 311 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,000 This could be one of the most elaborate setups we've ever done for the hoax scenario. 312 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Let's do this. 313 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Hey, Ben, we're all framed up up here at the vantage point. 314 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Let's do this. 315 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000 They're all right. 316 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,000 We're ready. 317 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Count us down. 318 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,000 In three, two, one. 319 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Whoa, look at it go. 320 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000 You got it? 321 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 Yeah, I got it. 322 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Here we go. 323 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000 Whoa, there it goes. 324 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,000 Keep going. 325 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Okay. 326 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Whoa, look at it go. 327 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Whoa. 328 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Whoa. 329 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Wow. 330 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 Do you see it? 331 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,000 I'm doing that. 332 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 That was an explosion for sure. 333 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,000 All right, let's roll that footage back and take a look at it. 334 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,000 That was great. 335 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Not too bad. 336 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,000 Ben, well done. 337 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Let's go side by side. 338 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,000 All right, so the first thing I noticed is that the trajectory was pretty good. 339 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Okay, you know, it's actually kind of smooth coming down. 340 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Yeah, the trajectory looks good. 341 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,000 I can't see the cables as much as I thought that I would from here. 342 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 However, when it bounces, it has a spring to it. 343 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,000 I'm not sold on the bounce. 344 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Yeah. 345 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 And then the explosion, actually pretty nice. 346 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,000 I think if this was hoax, I'm not sure this is the way that it was done. 347 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 I'm going to say it's definitely not. 348 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:34,000 When this thing bounces, I'm convinced that our experiment being on guided cables is not what it was. 349 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 It definitely bounces much higher. 350 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 You know, you guys, what if we're looking at this all wrong? 351 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 I mean, what if it's not a disc at all? 352 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,000 If the object in the sky is actually the exhaust plume from a rocket, 353 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 then maybe we should build an actual rocket. 354 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 We've already done the motor test. 355 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 So why don't we throw some fins on it, a body, a nose cone, 356 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,000 and actually launch a rocket into the sky and see what happens? 357 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,000 I love it. 358 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,000 All right, let's do it. 359 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Our rocket test should give us just the right combination of speed and control of the flight trajectory that we're looking for. 360 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Plus on top of that, hopefully we'll get the effect of an exhaust trail just like the original footage. 361 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,000 How's it looking, Devin? 362 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,000 This thing is ready to go. 363 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Let's head down to the lake bed and insert the motor down there. 364 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000 All right, let's do it, guys. 365 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Okay, Jail, Devin and I are going to take the rocket and go set it up on the rails and get it ready to go. 366 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,000 All right, I'll go set up the camera at the bunker and I'll talk to you soon. 367 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Okay, cool. 368 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Good luck. 369 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:36,000 So we've attached the rocket to the guide rail and it's going to be a little bit more difficult to get it to the side. 370 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000 So we're going to go ahead and get it ready to go. 371 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 All right, let's go. 372 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000 All right, let's go. 373 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 All right, let's go. 374 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:53,000 So we've attached the rocket to the guide rail and it's at the angle that's going to help us best replicate the original footage. 375 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:59,000 It's going to use a class J motor which, while it's the same solid rocket engine, is considerably larger than what we've been using. 376 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,000 Right now, Ben is attaching the electric match to the receiver just like in the motor test. 377 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,000 Then we're going to head to the bunker and we'll remote ignite. 378 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000 So let's do it. 379 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,000 Coming up on Fact or Faked Paranormal Files. 380 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000 Okay, Jail, the receiver is armed. 381 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Get on over here and let's ignite it. 382 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Watch. 383 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 So we've attached the rocket to the guide rail. 384 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:37,000 It's going to use a class J motor which, while it's the same solid rocket engine, is considerably larger than what we've been using. 385 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Okay, the receiver is armed. 386 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000 Okay, Jail, the receiver is armed. 387 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 We're heading back to Barricade. 388 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Yeah, get on over here and let's ignite it. 389 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:57,000 I'm really excited about this next test because the combination of the fins with the nose cone and the size of the motor is hopefully going to get us that flight path that we're looking for, the control that we need to replicate the original footage. 390 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Hey. 391 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,000 All right. 392 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Hey. 393 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 The wind is definitely picking up so we should get this rocket launched. 394 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,000 So this motor is actually quite a bit bigger than our last one. 395 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Now we've got it mounted to an actual rocket so we have some control over it. 396 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,000 I'm thinking we might actually get a rebound off the ground. 397 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 I hope so, man. 398 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,000 I'm a little skeptical but I'm really excited to see this thing go. 399 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,000 All right, Jail, you all framed up? 400 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000 I'm all framed up. 401 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Let's do this. 402 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Okay. 403 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:32,000 In three, two, one. 404 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Launch. 405 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Did you get put out there? 406 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Yes. 407 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,000 How about you? 408 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,000 It was a blast. 409 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,000 It was a really blast. 410 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 You remember our case. 411 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 White Sands, New Mexico. 412 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,000 This strange object looks like it's crashing, rebounding and exploding. 413 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000 It is the White Sands missile testing range. 414 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:06,000 So we decided to take a look at the possibility that this was a part of a rocket that had broken loose. 415 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000 This is what it looks like. 416 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Wow. 417 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,000 It certainly did launch but it took a wild turn there. 418 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Its direction was just all over the place. 419 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Exactly. 420 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:23,000 So for our next test we needed an experiment that would have more control in regards to flight time and trajectory. 421 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Now because the source of the video is so murky, it wasn't so far-fetched to believe that it was all in elaborate hoax. 422 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,000 We designed a three-foot double-sided disc that would go down a dual zip line. 423 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Here's what it looks like. 424 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,000 See it? 425 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Wow. 426 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,000 You know? 427 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,000 That's pretty good. 428 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000 The main issue was the speed. 429 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Our disc didn't really take off. 430 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000 This thing was kind of hobbling along. 431 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,000 So we decided to move on to the popular theory that this could just be a rocket. 432 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Now we weren't sure how a rocket was going to give us that shape that we saw in the original video. 433 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,000 But we built one complete with nose cone, fins, and rocket motor and set it off. 434 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Nice. 435 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000 But rockets are notoriously unpredictable to work with. 436 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,000 So just take a look at the video. 437 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Launch. 438 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Hey. 439 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Oh. 440 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Skip. 441 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Skip. 442 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Wow. 443 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000 You actually got the rocket to bounce. 444 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000 It looked great. 445 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,000 And you guys, the glowing rocket exhaust was extremely revealing. 446 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:31,000 I mean, it showed us that the UFO in the original video may have been entirely exhaust and you couldn't see the rocket. 447 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:39,000 The initial we had was that the bulkheads on our rocket were a little too sturdy, so it never expelled any fuel at the final impact point. 448 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,000 That's why there was no explosion. 449 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,000 Right. 450 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Okay. 451 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Well, I think you guys did a fantastic job. 452 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:50,000 And I think what we're seeing in the White Sands video is likely a misidentified rocket. 453 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000 I mean, playing with proof of concept, you guys had the exhaust trail. 454 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000 You had the glowing rocket. 455 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000 I mean, the trajectory was fairly similar, to be honest with you. 456 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Minus the fact there was no explosion at the end. 457 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000 I think it's pretty good. 458 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000 I'd say it's a rocket. 459 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000 I agree. 460 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000 The White Sands video is fact. 461 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,000 That doesn't mean that there isn't any, you know, type of connection to alien technology versus engineering. 462 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,000 I'm just not seeing in this case anything very compelling to say it wasn't anything other than, you know, a rocket test gone back. 463 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Oh, no! 464 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:25,000 Let me hear about the fun you guys had in Tonopah. 465 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Well, as you guys recall, we went to Tonopah, Nevada to investigate the full spectrum video recorded at the historic Tonopah cemetery. 466 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,000 Now, here's what happened. 467 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:57,000 I'm really excited to be here in Tonopah, Nevada, investigating some eerie footage that supposedly depicts a ghostly manifestation and when a Tonopah's abandoned cemeteries. 468 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:06,000 The community of Tonopah really began in the early 1900s when rich deposits of gold and silver were discovered at the hills overlooking the town here. 469 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:12,000 On February 23rd of 1911, they actually had a devastating mine fire known as the Belmont Mine Fire. 470 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Reports say that 17 miners lost their lives that night and there would have been plenty more had it not been for a gentleman known as Big Bill Murphy. 471 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,000 He actually dragged out a handful of miners before going back in to save more. 472 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:32,000 And Big Bill Murphy was absolutely a hero. After saving numerous lives, he died in his attempts to keep saving more people. 473 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 You know what's interesting? 474 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Keith Angle, the videographer of the footage that we're here investigating, he was actually here himself in Tonopah investigating the mine on its 100th anniversary of the fire. 475 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,000 A lot of people believe that Keith captured one of the spirits of the miners that actually lost their life. 476 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:55,000 We're pulling into the cemetery now to meet with the videographer and find out from him what happened the night he shot that original video. 477 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Look at this place. 478 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 There's so much history here. Do you feel it? 479 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Yeah, this place is desolate. 480 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,000 It's got the creep factor. 481 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000 It definitely does. 482 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000 Let's get started. 483 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:16,000 In 2011, an American teenage tourist captured this pair of ghostly slippers supposedly walking on their own. 484 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Local legend says the house is haunted by the ghost of a former owner who died there in a fall. 485 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,000 So, is it fact or faked? The answer coming up. 486 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,000 This video appeared to show a pair of ghostly slippers moving on their own. 487 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,000 But is it fact or faked? Faked. 488 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Though the videographer claims it's real, the simple illusion is easily replicated using invisible strength. 489 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:56,000 We're pulling into the cemetery now to meet with the videographer and find out from him what happened the night he shot that original video. 490 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000 Keith, it's good to see you. 491 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Hey Bill. How's it going? 492 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000 Great. 493 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Great. 494 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,000 This is Lundisha. 495 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,000 Hello. 496 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,000 And this is Austin. 497 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Hi Austin. 498 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Can you take us to where you shot the video? 499 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Sure, let's go. 500 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Alright, let's go. 501 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,000 So this is the location here and you can see from this vantage point pretty much the whole cemetery. 502 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Why were you here that particular night? 503 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000 Yeah, actually we were doing a paranormal investigation. 504 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Came down here and set up a camera. 505 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Were you able to see the image clearly with the naked eye or was it just through your monitor? 506 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000 No, I actually saw it first. 507 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,000 I actually thought that it might be a real person. 508 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,000 It was very dark. 509 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,000 It looked like somebody in a big puffy, you know, down coat and it was cold so that would have fit. 510 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,000 But within a second I realized that wasn't what it was. 511 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,000 So I reached into my pocket and pulled the monitor for the camera out. 512 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,000 And on the camera it was extremely bright and well defined from what I was seeing. 513 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Okay, have there ever been any other reports of paranormal activity in this area? 514 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Yeah, actually there is. 515 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,000 If you ask people around here they'll tell you they've seen things and heard things, especially here in the cemetery. 516 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000 So do you believe what you captured on video to be evidence of paranormal activity? 517 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,000 Absolutely. 518 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,000 You do? 519 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000 Yeah. 520 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,000 Can you tell me what kind of camera you used that night? 521 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000 Yes, this was a full spectrum camera. 522 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,000 The camera picks up movement and boxes it. 523 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000 Would you mind if we borrowed it to run a few tests? 524 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,000 No. 525 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,000 You're welcome. 526 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,000 Perfect, thank you. 527 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Keith, thanks for your time. 528 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Thank you. 529 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Appreciate it. 530 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000 We got a workout for us. 531 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000 So what do you say we go grab our gear and get this investigation started? 532 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Yeah, let's go. 533 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,000 All right, let's go. 534 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:36,000 You know, Austin, we really need to first explore the obvious that it was just another person in the cemetery, like maybe even a maintenance worker. 535 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Well, you know that isn't the first thing Keith saw, he saw when the sighting occurred. 536 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000 It could just be a case of a sinking identity. 537 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000 The apparition actually really does appear and disappear in the original video, right? 538 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:53,000 But what if it's somebody just sitting in the cemetery, possibly behind a tombstone, and when they stand up it gives the illusion that they're actually appearing. 539 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,000 They walk a couple feet, sit back down, they duck behind another gravestone, hoping they disappear. 540 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,000 The full spectrum camera does take a second to refresh, which could make the picture appear to be jumpy. 541 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:11,000 I mean, that in conjunction with someone, you know, appearing from behind a gravestone, a bush or even a fence could give the illusion of a ghost manifesting on camera. 542 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,000 Yeah. 543 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:22,000 We can use the original video as a blueprint, and we can determine where this apparition seems to manifest, how far it travels, and where it seems to disappear on its own. 544 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000 We're about to run our phantom person experiment. 545 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000 We have Lonnie operating the camera, Phil's directing, and I'm going to be playing the phantom. 546 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:35,000 I'm going to use these flags to mark our start and end points, so that we have the exact same route the apparition travels in the original footage. 547 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Right there. Go ahead and mark that spot. 548 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:46,000 Well, since it makes sense that someone walking through the cemetery at night would have a source of light with them, Austin's going to be wearing an illuminated headlamp. 549 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,000 Hopefully, this will help us replicate the illuminated figure seen in the original video. 550 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Okay, Austin, let's begin this test. 551 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000 Copy that. Let's run this on your cue. 552 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,000 On three, two, one. Begin walk. 553 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Timing it, timing it. 554 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000 Go ahead and sit. 555 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000 How's it look? 556 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000 It looks pretty good. 557 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000 Austin, watch it come back to base. 558 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000 All right, guys, how'd it look? 559 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,000 You notice the figure in the original video seems to appear and disappear? 560 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000 We simply don't have that in our test footage. 561 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000 And plus, it's obvious that it's a person. 562 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Yeah, I agree. You can tell as soon as I stand up and actually turn my headlight on, around the whole ground, it's completely lit. 563 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Like I'm walking in a spotlight. You can see my limbs. 564 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,000 I mean, this looks nothing like it. I mean, obviously we can put this theory to rest. 565 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:50,000 Well, guys, if you look at the light emanating from the highway, you'll notice that it actually appears at the exact same time that the apparition appears in the original footage. 566 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,000 And on top of that, it actually stays lit in the exact same amount of time. 567 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000 And then the apparition and the highway simultaneously fade. 568 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,000 There definitely does seem to be a correlation between the two. 569 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,000 You know, I am thinking that maybe the apparition could just be a lens flare. 570 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:12,000 It can't explain what Keith saw with the naked eye, but it could explain what he was able to record with his camera. 571 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Well, guys, there hasn't been much traffic running parallel to the cemetery. 572 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,000 But when something does pass by, it definitely changes up the lighting. 573 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,000 This gives me an idea. I think I know it may have been the culprit. 574 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000 Something that really brightens up the highway. 575 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,000 What do you guys think? Is it bright enough? 576 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Yeah, nice work. It was great. 577 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Man, you brought it in 911. 578 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 So the local fire department actually offered to help us during our investigation, 579 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000 and they're going to allow us to use these vehicles for our next experiment. 580 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,000 You know, the lights from these vehicles should give us the luminosity that we're looking for. 581 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000 And the highway sitting in the main road that cuts through the tonapop, 582 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000 the lens flare scenario is a real possibility. 583 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Yeah. 584 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,000 I mean, it's not hard to create a lens flare. 585 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,000 All you have to do is just shine a bright light source at the lens, and there you go. 586 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,000 As it's our light source that we're moving, in theory, our lens flare should too, right? 587 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:11,000 You know, when you look at the original video, the light begins to glow and then fade all within five seconds. 588 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,000 That means you're going to have to enter frame with the test camera and exit also within five seconds. 589 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000 All right. Well, let's get this test going. 590 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000 I'll head back to the vantage point. 591 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 I'll frame with the camera to match your original video. 592 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Austin, I'll let you know when you enter frame at the start point and exit at frame at the end point. 593 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000 I'll cue you when to get the convoy going. 594 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Why don't you take one of these? 595 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,000 Yep. 596 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Perfect. All right. 597 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000 Ready, you guys? 598 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Okay, perfect. 599 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,000 We've called on the local highway patrol to block off the road while we conduct our experiment 600 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000 so we'll have more control over the results. 601 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Austin, for team, do you copy? 602 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000 We do. 603 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,000 Convoy is in position and we are waiting on your cue to light this highway up. 604 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000 Okay, on my mark. 605 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:59,000 Austin on three, two, one. 606 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Begin, Convoy. 607 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,000 Now we're going to test the theory that the apparition seen in the original video is actually just a result of a lens flare 608 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,000 produced by the bright flashing emergency lights traveling down highway six. 609 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Okay, on my mark. 610 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Austin on three, two, one. 611 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Begin, Convoy. 612 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000 We're on our way, Bill. 613 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000 Austin, we have a vigil on you. 614 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000 Okay, good. Let me know when it shows one camera. 615 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000 I'll let you know. 616 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Okay, and then I'll time it from there. 617 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000 Oh, there it is. 618 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Bill, I see him. I see him. 619 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000 You know what? I see the lens flare. 620 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000 I definitely see it in the monitor right here. 621 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Boom. That was five right there. 622 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 All right, Bill. They've clear frame. 623 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000 Hey, guys, how'd that look? 624 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000 Excellent. Excellent speed. 625 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000 Why don't you come back and let's do a comparison. 626 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Copy that. I'm on my way now. 627 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000 Oh, guys, that was exciting. 628 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000 How did it turn out? 629 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000 You know what? Let's go ahead and look at the video. 630 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Check this out. 631 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Now, this is really interesting. 632 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,000 It does show that the light from the highway does result in a lens flare 633 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,000 and the luminosity is pretty good. 634 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000 It looks like something is moving through the graveyard. 635 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000 I completely agree. 636 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000 I mean, the shape is off a little bit. 637 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000 But man, there's so many similarities there. 638 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000 Think about it. Our results could be different depending on the type of vehicle 639 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000 or the amount of light that's being emitted that's coming down the highway. 640 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000 And watch. 641 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000 It looks like it almost sinks into the ground right there. 642 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 I mean, that's almost spot on. 643 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 This is the simplest answer. 644 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,000 But you know what? Let's not rule out a possible paranormal explanation 645 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,000 because it's not just Keith. 646 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000 No. 647 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000 There's other paranormal researchers that have been coming here for many, many years 648 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000 and they've collected evidence. 649 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000 They have eyewitness accounts. 650 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:02,000 But we owe it to ourselves to stay and do a night time investigation 651 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000 Oh, that's good to work us. 652 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000 With years of paranormal history accumulated here at Tonopah Cemetery, 653 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000 we definitely have to stay and do a night time investigation to see what we can find. 654 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,000 What's up guys? All set up? 655 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Cameras are all set. 656 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000 We are good to go out there. 657 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,000 All right. 658 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000 Well guys, the covers look great. 659 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,000 We literally have four IR cameras set up corresponding to each one of these monitors 660 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,000 once covering the full cemetery from back in this left corner. 661 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000 This is the full spectrum. 662 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000 This frames up with actually the same exact frame as our original footage. 663 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,000 This one actually covers the exact same path that the apparition in the original video walks. 664 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000 It's on camera three. 665 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,000 We have Bill Murphy's gravestone and then actually covering the reverse side of the cemetery. 666 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 So we have both angles coming at it. 667 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000 And of course, base camp here. 668 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000 I'm going to be monitoring the front. 669 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 So if anybody comes in or out of the cemetery, I'll know about it. 670 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,000 We're going to be doing a complete sweep, but I want to record an EVP at Bill Murphy's grave site. 671 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000 So we want to see if we can get some sort of communication going on there. 672 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,000 And I'm also going to be having an E-pod. 673 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,000 And with this, if there's some sort of energy formation that's coming from the surface up, 674 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000 I'll be able to pick it up with this. 675 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000 Make sure you put that somewhere in the frame of my camera so that if it goes off, 676 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000 I can radio and let you know. 677 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,000 All right. Perfect. 678 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,000 I'll have my DSLR in a thermal camera and I'll sweep the entire cemetery looking for any fluctuations 679 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 and heat signatures. 680 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000 Well guys, I'll be your eyes in the field. 681 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000 Make sure you stay in contact with me via walkie. 682 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,000 You guys ready to go green? 683 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000 Ready. 684 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000 All right. Go green. 685 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,000 Go green. 686 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,000 20-Caul Cemetery, July 2011. 687 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000 This is Bill Murphy talking to Big Bill. 688 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 You're a local hero. 689 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000 You're still all a hero here. 690 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000 A lot of people believe that you still walk this graveyard. 691 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:14,000 If you could speak to me, this recording device may be able to record your voice. 692 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000 Talk to me, Bill. 693 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,000 Can you just say hi? 694 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000 Just say hello. 695 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000 Austin, I just ended my EVP session. 696 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,000 I'm going to leave the E-pod on the grave. 697 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000 If you see it turn on and off like this, when I go to touch it, 698 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000 let me know and note the time on the recorder. 699 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000 That could indicate the presence of something that is paranormal. 700 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000 Let me know. 701 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Copy that. 702 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Bill, your pod just started flashing. 703 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Your pod just started flashing. 704 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000 We have activity on the pod. 705 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000 I'm on the way. 706 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:06,000 Austin, as I approached it, it was still fluctuating. 707 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Weird, Bill. 708 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000 I copied that. 709 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000 Come on, Bill Murphy. 710 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Can you do this on your own? 711 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000 Lizzie, I'm at the Bill Murphy grave site. 712 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000 I'm getting some fluctuations on the E-pod. 713 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000 Can you meet me here with a thermal camera? 714 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000 Copy that, Bill. 715 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000 I'm on my way. 716 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Are either of you by the camera at Bill Murphy's grave site? 717 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,000 It just went out. 718 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Guys, don't keep me in the dark over here. 719 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,000 I don't have a visual. 720 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000 I have no idea what's going on. 721 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000 What is that? 722 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Austin, we're trying to interpret the thermal camera right now. 723 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 What's going on with the camera? 724 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,000 I don't know. 725 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,000 The camera went out. 726 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Austin, pretend what is going on out there. 727 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Austin, we're having a lot of equipment. 728 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000 My walkie-dust died. 729 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000 My walkie-dust failed. 730 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,000 All of her equipment is failing. 731 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:14,000 Austin, pretend what is going on out there. 732 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Austin, we're having a lot of equipment. 733 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000 My walkie-dust died. 734 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000 My walkie-dust failed. 735 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:26,000 All of her equipment is failing. 736 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,000 So I stayed at base camp and actually manned the monitors while Bill and Lanisha swept 737 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,000 the entire cemetery looking for any signs of paranormal activity. 738 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:42,000 At the beginning of the nighttime investigation, I placed an E-pod on Big Bill Murphy's grave. 739 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:48,000 Now, the E-pod began to have these unusual fluctuations. 740 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,000 And some people believe that this could be anomalous energy forces beginning to manifest. 741 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000 Austin is the one that first spotted it. 742 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000 We had a camera on it. 743 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000 He radioed me and I saw it with my naked eye. 744 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000 Wow. 745 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000 And that's just one of the things that happened. 746 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:14,000 At that exact moment, the IR camera that's monitoring Big Bill Murphy's grave site goes down. 747 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:20,000 Now, when the E-pod started to go off, I ran over to join Bill and it's crazy because when I got there, 748 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,000 my thermal imager completely shut off. 749 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000 So I go to walkie, Bill and Lanisha, let them know what's going on. 750 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000 My walkie fails. 751 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000 Full battery. 752 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000 Wow. 753 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000 Crazy. 754 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000 Everything literally just stopped working as soon as the E-pod began to fluctuate. 755 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,000 I mean, it was strange. 756 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,000 So the thermal camera, the walkie-talkie, the IR cams all malfunctioned at the same time. 757 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000 Done at the same time. 758 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000 How do you explain your electronics just going out? 759 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000 Ken, it's really eerie. 760 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,000 It was really odd. 761 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,000 And earlier in the evening, I conducted an EVP session at Big Bill Murphy's grave site. 762 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,000 And I asked if he's the figure that we see in Keith Engel's original video. 763 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,000 Here's the recording I got. 764 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Let me know what you guys think you hear. 765 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000 Can you just say hi? 766 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000 Just say hello. 767 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Oh, whoa. 768 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000 I hear like a squeaking almost. 769 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:19,000 Yeah, like, like, like, it sounds like a metal bucket and something's being put in it or something. 770 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,000 Like a pulley that's squeaking? 771 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:30,000 This might be crazy, but it sounds like a miner's bucket that they take down with them into the mine and then they pull up. 772 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:43,000 Now, Big Bill Murphy, he had to go down in a miner's bucket into the shaft to save the other miners and put them into the bucket and then raise it back up. 773 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 He did this numerous times. 774 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 He lost his life doing this. 775 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000 That's creepy. 776 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000 That was his last action. 777 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000 So with everything you saw, everything you did, what's your final conclusion? 778 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:02,000 I think there's a natural explanation for what Keith captured on his footage, and I think we showed that with the lens flare. 779 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:14,000 You know, you guys, I'm convinced that it was a lens flare that he had in his video, but your investigation that night and your equipment failing from a tech standpoint, I can't understand why full batters would just go down. 780 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,000 That is unexplained. 781 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:24,000 That EVP is pretty compelling in its own right, and if that is communication from Big Bill Murphy, then he deserves to be heard. 782 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:37,000 I think you guys did a fantastic job with your experiments, and given all the evidence that you collected during your EVP and the night investigation, I think it completely lends credibility to the idea that this place has paranormal activity. 783 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,000 Your experiment with a lens flare came so close, I think there was a natural explanation. 784 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:50,000 However, with the EVP that had the mystery sound, your equipment going down, it seems like that cemetery could have something going on in it. 785 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,000 Mm-hmm. 786 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000 Yep. 787 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000 Good job, Warren. 788 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000 Wow.